Xomicron wrote:

> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.net> wrote in
> news:#WpyRJaSEHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
>
> > Xomicron wrote:
> >
> >> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.net> wrote in
> >> news:#ZYccCaSEHA.2800@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:
> >>
> >>> Xomicron wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.net> wrote in
> >>>> news:#RaZB5ZSEHA.3012@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Xomicron wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.net> wrote
> >>>>>> in news:uAC2ByZSEHA.1128@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Xomicron wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.net>
> >>>>>>>> wrote in news:Op5$umZSEHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Marc Dobson wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If you know what he'll do, please tell us.  He may do all
> >>>>>>>>>> of those things and more, but he doesn't say what he will
> >>>>>>>>>> do, he just talks in glittering generalities...the
> >>>>>>>>>> consumate liberal politician.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yes, and GWB said he wasn't interested in Nation-Building
> >>>>>>>>> back in 2000. So a politician's specifics during a
> >>>>>>>>> campaign, tend not to mean sh*t.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Gee, and leftist folks ALWAYS do exactly as they say, don't
> >>>>>>>> they?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don't believe any human being has ever done exactly as they
> >>>>>>> say, whether leftist, rightist, or middle-of-the-roadist.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The world changes. President Bush reacts.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I agree.  GWB is a total effin' reactionary.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's a good thing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "One who favors reaction, or seeks to undo political progress or
> >>>>> revolution."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wouldn't want political progress to progress unhampered, right?
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree with the "opposing liberalism" part.
> >>>
> >>> "A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and
> >>> the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political
> >>> liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and
> >>> protection from arbitrary authority." -
> >>> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberalism
> >>>
> >>> Wouldn't want individuals having civil and political liberties,
> >>> huh? Don't want to be governed by laws, or be protected from
> >>> arbitrary authority, huh?
> >>
> >> That is a definition of classic liberalism and has nothing to do
> >> with liberals today.
> >
> > !  Why?  Because some neo-con faggot said so?
>
> There are no "neo-con" faggots.

Bush & Cheney did everything possible to avoid going to war, but are the
first to send other peoples kids into a totally unprovoked war.

Neo - new
con - convicts/conservatives
faggots - chickensh*t war-mongers, as long as it's not their ass going to
war!

>
> Classic liberalism is what Jefferson, Washington, etc., all practiced.

And that was the liberalism that the definition of a reactionary was talking
about.

> Modern liberalism and classic liberalism are like oil and water.  The
> classic liberals' values were snatched up by the Republicans some time
> after the Civil War.

And dropped by the Republican Party at least since the 1994 "Contract with
America, though I'd trace it's roots back to McCarthy, and the communist
witch-hunts.

>
> Modern liberalism is actually the remnant of old feudalism --

!  And Neo-Conservatism is a remnant of the old fascism!  Create a
rationale to go to war on nothing more than propaganda and nationalistic
fervor.  Sound familiar?

which
> was what the United States was supposed to wipe out and Europeans
> tend to call "conservatism" -- kept alive by Andrew Jackson, a man
> who would fit right into the American Democratic Party today. Classic
> Liberals probably feel most at home in the Libertarian party.

A true liberal wouldn't feel at home in any political faction.

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